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Practice, Service & Love with Michael Beckwith

(An Excerpt from the Deep Flow Conference Interview)

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Jeff: Ok, here, here’s one thing, Reverend Michael. What if there is so much willingness opening our arms? And when it comes to the question, what can I let go of? There is so much resistance as knowing why it’s. Thank you so much, sir.

Michael: Resistance is the effort that it takes to block a new idea. So what you do is you become aware of the frequency of resistance. You just take your attention and you raise the vibration of resistance. Everything is energy. So resistance is a coagulated energy is trying to block your growth development. And so when you actually look at it with the intention of growing, you actually look at resistance and you look at are you embrace it, it will begin to break down. Remember the observer effect, as discussed by scientists, that anything you observe changes on a subatomic level just based on your observation of it. Now, when you add that you’re willing to grow and unfold, you’re placing the observer effect on steroids, the resistance. We don’t deny it. We embrace it. We look at it and you’ll begin to see the lies that are inherent within your resistance. There may be lines of lack of self-worth. There’ll be lines of I’m going to lose more than I’m going to gain if I actually go forward. Maybe lies of I’m not worthy, I’m not good enough. You’ll you’ll unpack the lies that are inherent within the resistance. I don’t have to give it to you. You’ll see it.

And once you see those lies, they start to lose their power in you because you’ve busted you’ve seen them before. They were acting unconsciously and thwarting your unfoldment. We want you to embrace resistance. And you look at it, we observe it, you start to see the lies, you tell yourself and you’ll start to unravel and you start to have more freedom. This is all practice and it’s not. That practice makes perfect is the practice of perfection. That makes perfect because many people have practiced fear and worry and doubt they have it. We’ve created an art form of it, you’re practicing perfection, but vision is trying to emerge deep feeling, tone of love, feeling of willingness to be practicing those steps until your baseline is raised and you’re living in states more and more.

Jeff: This person says when you’re in this state of vision, what do you do when your vision keeps changing? And also how do you keep yourself from the negativity to come into action when you envision process?

Michael: What we didn’t do, because obviously, because of the limited period of time you get a piece of paper and you actually write down your insights around around your vision.

 So you actually anchor it with your tactile fingers, writing visual, reading it out loud. So you actually hear it.

 After a while, there’ll be a theme that emerges that will be it’ll be the baseline of the vision for your life. Now, in that vision, there may be a lot of gifts, a lot of tributaries that you can participate in, but you will begin to discover that there’s a main theme for you. You built upon that main thing, the negativity, it’s just like resistance, we just notice it, but you don’t give it any power, meaning you don’t try to make it go away, because whatever you’ve heard the statement, whatever it is that you resist, persists. If you fight it, you amplify it. So you just notice this negative thought. Oh, this this negative chatter. You just notice it, that’s all.

And you’re noticing it. It starts to lose its power because you’re not engaging it. See, again, this is all part of your spiritual practice.

 Maybe we have time for one more here. The person has an interesting question. Can you speak about the space where the plan is no longer specifically defined, but simply a state of being and presence?

Well, that stage for the state of being, we have a starting to have a realization that you’re born with all life now in that state of being. And because you’ve taken a human incarnation and there’s some gift that you are to give, individuals rarely take a human connection just to stay. Instead of being they become teachers, they enter into some level of service from that state of being. In other words, we’re not here to become ascended masters. We’re here to become decent masters. That is, if you take a human incarnation at MIT, that means that you’re bringing an energy to the planet. So, yes, we’re here to be in that state of motion, this space connection.

And then there is movement that that infinite energy then moves for a musician and becomes music for a choreographer.

It becomes dance for an architect. It becomes a new way to bring energy to building. You see, to a teacher, it becomes inspiration to share knowledge. You see, to a mother, it becomes the activation of a great degree of safety for her child and creating a space for the child to unfold to the greater. Yet the for a dad, very similar with the vibration of of of of balancing, obviously the masculine feminine. So you carry the same frequency of safety protection as well. So that state of being is definitely to be lived there, but it doesn’t come without action. It’s called divine right action. So the action emanates from the state of which I hope I answered your question.

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Leading & Letting Go with Tami Simon

(An Excerpt from the Deep Flow Conference Interview)

Tami: Ok, so briefly, I work with an energy healer, and at one point she was talking to me about the balance between what’s inside the energy system of what’s known in Chinese medicine as your own internal husband and wife. And it’s just whatever old language, hetero normative language about this whole thing anyway.

But it’s the idea that there’s a part of you that supports and is just holds the space and then a part of you that life creates and how these work together inside you. And one of the things she said to me is that the part of me that was kind of pushing to create was pushing harder than I had to and that there was more space and more ability to just let the universe come and guide me. And sounds true. And I started really reflecting on it. And I talked to someone at Sounds True who runs our whole business to consumer division. She’s a very wise person. Her name’s Sybil. And she said, Let me tell you how I work. Tami I think 70 percent of whatever happens at our business to consumer division and work at sounds true, 70 percent is up to the universe and only 30 percent is up to me. And I make sure that I’m never more than 30 percent engaged in trying to create or make something happen. And I loved having numbers for this. And I loved this notion of letting the universe play a 70 percent role in how things unfold.

[00:01:50 I’m only 30 percent of that equation. So I wanted to share that because I’ve been using that and asking myself in this situation, have I gotten out of whack? Am I trying to be more than 30 percent and don’t do that. Back off, let go more. Let the universe, let other people, let circumstances let it unfold on flow unfold.

Jeff: So that’s what I wanted to share, the 70 30 business principle of creation, the surrender, 70 percent, the yeah. Now, you know, there’s. There are a lot of ideas about what happens when surrender and when I hear you say that, I get a little nervous that what you tell me, maybe I should be nervous, but that there’s this idea that the universe is taking care of us and it’s watching. Sounds true. And it’s got a plan. And 70 percent, it’s really you don’t see it like that. I’m sure it’s more like life is optimized through every aspect of how we live and grow individually in our relationships and and in our business. And it follows where the world is going, where that culture is going in ways that we can’t control, but not in ways that are sort of. Somehow it almost sounds a little magical the way you put it that way, right?

 Yeah, well, I do live in a magical world.

Jeff: You do live in a magical world. I do.

Tami:  And in my magical world, there are energies and forces that I have aligned with. That I am aligned with, I am a human partner with energies and forces that are not physically apparent to the eye, but I am I am working in partnership with them.

 They are they are beings of light and goodness and sparkly ness and grace and their angelic forms.

 You can call them a lot of different things. And I do believe and you can this is Tammy’s magical world.

And if people drop off now or whatever, that’s OK. That’s OK. You know, and it may not be exactly like this, but I think we overthink. We know what the human experiences and we think it ends with our bodies. And that is just not my experience, my experience and my experience of being in fellow states is that we are interpenetrated by all kinds of intelligences that are far bigger, far more expanded and not visible, but palpable, that are informing us and working with us. And when you have an entity like Zounds true that has been built up over thirty five years with all of the different peoples different energetic connections out there in the world all coming together, you have something that has an energy force behind it that is beyond the human. And so when I say that 70 percent, it’s. Yeah. Letting that magic happen and being open to magic. Yep. Very magical.

Jeff: Ok, if the you know, I guess the I’ve ever heard you speak that way before, that was that was quite something.

 All the comments are coming down. She has humility and heart, the soul. I just one day when we having lunch, we’ll discuss this further about the course. The time is running out. We have to end at about three fifty. So of course, we have to go.

Tami: But I’m going to do something that’s really kind of outrageous for. It’s going to take a second.

 Jeff: Yes, I’m going to wait. I wonder what’s about to happen.

Tami: I know you guys could think this is a little crazy here at the end, but this image. Is the image that I was looking at, and it’s the original logo.

 That’s the original logo of sounds true. And I just wanted to share that with you, because that’s yeah, that’s our original logo.

 Jeff: And that and you didn’t fully connect that, but that’s that’s the energy, that’s the visual.

Tami: Impression that you had of some of the entities that are supporting, well, you could put it that way or you could say we picked it as our original logo because it was this force that was coming from beyond the human dimension, bringing from someplace away above the cloud bank, bringing something down here to humans like a like a messenger force that would help us.

And that’s what I’m serving. And I think that’s the point when you know what you’re serving. That’s the key idea here, I think.

And you serve it. It partners with you. So I’m actually serving a higher a higher vibration, a higher kind of sense of communication of what’s possible. And because of that, I can let go into that and trust that because of the confidence in that service. So I think that’s the key idea.

Jeff: Right. That’s the deep flow. You’ve brought it home.

Tami: I think without the service component, it can just be about, I don’t know, some like personal pleasure state or something, and that’s not really what inspires me.

So I don’t really know about that. But I think when you know what you’re serving and you’re serving something genuine, there is a kind of support, a built in universal support. And I feel that.

Jeff: Yeah, yeah. And that’s that circles back a little bit to what we said in the beginning about. What’s already here and what doesn’t have to be built and what doesn’t have to be forced and what doesn’t have to be manufactured,

Tami: But what’s already here is benevolent.

There’s a benevolence in it.

 So when you’re connecting with that benevolence, you are in that fountain of creation and that’s what will then flow through you and that you can give it 70 percent and let it happen because it is the benevolence of the source of of of life.

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Persistent Awakening with Jeffery Martin

(An Excerpt from the Deep Flow Conference Interview)

Jeffery: Yeah, absolutely. Steven Cutler, who I know you had on earlier and I have had this discussion for years and his old partner, Jamie Weale, same story. So, you know, they have traditionally been in the business, if you will, of researching and trying to generate temporary flow states. And most of the world, when they say flow, what they’re actually talking about is temporary flow. And that’s like, you know, athletes getting into a flow state where there’s no sense of self and they’re just sort of one with whatever the sport is that they’re doing or it actually happens to actors. I had a dear friend of mine do her Ph.D. dissertation on stage acting and how many stage actors are into it for the moment of flow when they all are in flow together and there’s this amazing group flow between them and so on. But these things are transient sorts of senses of flow. And so one of the things that we’ve learned over time with our research, which is, you know, publicly called things like fundamental while being academically called things like persistent ensemble experience, but encompasses the ways of living in the world that are more commonly referred to as a persistently awakened or enlightenment or non duality or unit of consciousness, God, consciousness and so on.

 We’ve got nearly three hundred of these terms catalogued at this point for this. If you think about it, these people are representing oftentimes and how they’re talking about how they live, sort of a more persistent state of flow. And in fact, we have been able to use traditional measurements of flow in the academic world to really sort of get at this question of what is it that these people are experiencing when they say that they’re experiencing a more persistent or ongoing type of flow. So when I would talk to Jamie or Stephen or there was a conference at Yale that I went to, which was sort of a secret conference many years ago around synchronicity, and there’s a strong sort of crossover between synchronicity and flow.

[00:04:55] So quite a lot of the event was sort of a mix between these ideas of synchronicity and flow and the divinity school that brought in basically 30 of the top experts on this stuff from all around the world for a special kind of summit and sort of a private summit. It was an interesting event full of amazing people, as you can imagine.

[00:05:15] You know, it’s it’s it’s an interesting it’s an interesting difference.

[00:05:20] And so we call it life flow versus task flow, because the thing that is primarily the case with traditional forms of flow is that they involve some sort of goal or they involve some sort of task. And the thing about life flow, from our perspective, a fundamental wellbeing type perspective, is that it doesn’t really involve specific tasks. It doesn’t really involve specific goals. You’re not you’re not getting into flow in the moment. But a lot of the other descriptors are very close. And so you go to the Wikipedia page for Flow and you look up McKale chick, his work on it and his landmark work on Flow states on a temporary forms of flow. A lot of the things that he says about flow apply to life flow as well as to task flow. He was dealing only with a temporary form of flow and so we would cross out things like that. It has a task associated with it or that has a goal associated with it. It’s really just more of a moment to moment sense of being in the flow.

Jeff:So now, having made that distinction, your research has been in your life flow and you’ve researched. More than a thousand people who kind of.

Reached a fairly high level of living, this kind of flowing life that we would also call fundamental well-being. What have you discovered about that condition? In other words, what could you tell people that will let them know what it is that they’re talking about when you say PNU?

Jeffery: So it’s a good question. And when we think about this, it’s actually been thousands of people really at this point. And one of the surprises for us is that there are different types of this. Right. And so we catalog different types. We call them locations, and we say they sort of fall along a continuum of related types of experience. And so we think of their being different types of fundamental well-being. And so we use locations along a continuum. So location one location to location three and so on. When I say that, you can just think of it as different types really of fundamental well-being, and each one of those types would have a different answer associated with this notion of flow. And so, for instance, most people experience location. One, fewer people experience location, two fewer people experience location three and so on. Right. So by the time you get to something like location four, there’s actually very few people that experience that in an ongoing way. Their experience is what you might consider kind of a maximum version of life flow.

And so the idea is that they just basically feel like there is no them, they can’t pass, that there’s no decisions to make. There’s no choice to make. They’re not making any decisions. They’re not making any choices. The world is just showing up. And it seems to just be showing up in sort of this continuous flow.

So to them, that’s how they would see and represent life flow. If you come all the way down to the other side in location, one life flow would look very different than that.

People still have a range of emotions. And so you still have positive and negative emotions, whereas emotionality has fallen away at location far right.

You still have triggers, still have a lot of psychological triggers and stuff like that that can sort of drag you out of the moment here and there.

Now, you recover back into the moment much more rapidly, but nonetheless, you can still get pulled. The sense of peace that accompanies this type of experience is pushed more into the background and location one, whereas it’s always in the foreground and location for. And so if you think about just sort of the elements of these different locations, how flow or how the notion of a more persistent form of flow shows up really varies across them. And I think it’s very likely that people, especially people that haven’t really deepened and location, want people that are new to location one or, you know, haven’t been there for that long.

Maybe there are a couple of years. And I think it’s very possible that those people would say that they don’t have a persistent flow, for instance, in every moment, that because of the punctuations of conditioning, of conditioning, because they can still sort of get dragged into the occasional, you know, thought train or, you know, their spouse comes home and pushes the right buttons on the right day.

And, you know, they get a little trigger for a few moments or whatever else.

Those punctuated moments are enough probably to make them say that they don’t feel that they’re in a fully persistent sense of flow. And certainly if they were, it would look very different than it looks in location for now. If we were to go to a location, to location, to where people would probably talk about it and a slightly different way yet. And so in location, too, it brings in non duality or non dual perception, which probably is some of your listeners today are familiar with and some aren’t. So Nundah, a perception is really sort of a unification of the subjective and the objective. That’s often the way it’s described from an academic standpoint.

But what it means is really a perceptual change. And so if you’re in a non dull place and you’re just looking out or you’re listening to sounds, maybe, you know. But so either way, if you think about any of your senses, it doesn’t really matter. Let’s just say you’re looking out. It doesn’t really feel anymore. The average person. It feels like there’s something here, something in their head that is looking out at the world like they’re here. The world is out there. Right. And so I’m looking at a camera right now. Right. So I would be here and my sense would be that the camera is over there. It’s out there somewhere. If you’re not doing it actually feels different than that. It feels like it’s everything is just kind of one thing. When you open your eyes, it just seems sort of like there’s just everything just sort of showing up in a field, including you, and there really isn’t a distinction between you and the camera, Per. And so it’s sort of like everything is just one thing or something that happens with location two is that there’s often a sense that accompanies it of someone feeling like there’s a right choice to be made in each situation or, you know, there’s a right answer, if you will. It feels like there is a flow that can be discerned in any moment. That is a correct flow. And oftentimes location to people work really, really hard to try to sort of intuit and internally sense, OK, you know, in this moment, what is the correct choice so that I can be more in flow versus less and flow.

 But nonetheless, there is the sense of a persistent flow, if you will. There is this life flow aspect, but there’s more agency associated with with that flow and with remaining in that flow. Then, for instance, in location for where it seems to just be happening.

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The Psychedelic Evolution with Paul Austin

(An Excerpt from the Deep Flow Conference Interview)

Paul: So the topic of micro dosing first came on the scene in 2011. There is a psychologist by the name of Dr. Jim Fadiman, who was a professor at Stanford. You know, he had his first psychedelic trip in Paris in 1962 with Richard Alpert at the time, who we now know is Ramdas and Jim Fadiman is like an OG of the psychedelic movement.

 And in 2011, he published a book called The Psychedelic Explorer’s Guide, and he wrote a single chapter in there about Microdevices, where there were several people in his personal circles who he had sent out little doses of LSD, too, or little doses of mushrooms. They had tried taking it a couple of times a week for about a period of five weeks, and they noticed that there were some significant benefits to that micro dosing protocol. And so when it comes to micro dosing in particular, it isn’t just taking a low dose of a psychedelic once, like eating a stem or eating a cap or taking a little bit of LSD and seeing what happens. The process of micro dosing is a protocol.

It’s saying, hey, just like I commit to meditation every morning for 30 days or just like I commit to doing breath work in the presence process every day for whatever month or two months, my dosing is the same way where it’s I’m committing to taking a micro dose of a psychedelic two to three times per week for a period of 30 to 60 days. And just observing the gradual changes in my way of being, in my creativity, in my mood, in my energy levels as a result of that. And so when we get a little bit more granular, the actual micro dose amount is about a tenth of a regular dose. So to have sort of that mystical experience with LSD, people will take anywhere from, let’s say, 150 to 300 micrograms of LSD. A microdots tends to be anywhere from 10 to 15 to 20 micrograms of LSD with psilocybin mushrooms. Again, to facilitate that mystical experience, someone might take anywhere from two to five grams of psilocybin mushrooms. So a tenth of that would be point to two point five grams of psilocybin mushrooms for a micro dose. Now, for any of you who have worked with go.

Jeff: Oh, no, it’s OK. I didn’t mean to cut you off, so I just wanted to say you’re not when you’re taking these you’re not getting you’re not hallucinating.

Paul:  Yeah, that’s what I was going to go into that. Yeah. You can’t you can’t be at a good time. So the idea is like these are susceptible, perceptible. Right. So these dose levels are it’s sort of like you can kind of tell but you can’t tell, like you’re not having any visuals, you’re not sort of giggling and kind of losing it.

You know, you’re fairly still in control, you know, in the driver’s seat. But people just notice that they have a little bit more energy. Their mood is a little bit enhanced. It’s sort of the feeling like after you’ve meditated fairly consistently where you’re just less reactive, there’s less clutter going on in the mind and just things feel more clear and clean and full. And and the important part to emphasize about all psychedelic use, whether that’s microdevices or higher doses, is every single person is different.

And it’s not just based on, you know, your height and your weight and your age. It’s also based on emotional things. So, for example, people who are more neurotic, people who are more like needing to be in control, they often need a lot more of a psychedelic in order to break through that.

Whereas those who are already more emotionally sensitive, emotionally open, emotionally tuned in, so to say, often need quite a bit less to get the same benefits and experience. And so this speaks a sort of a, you know, a concept that we’ve been talking about more and more at a at a at the third wave, which is how can we approach psychedelic use as a skill. So just like we can become skilled at martial arts or just like we can become a skilled writer or just like we can become a skilled meditator or anything else, the process of developing the skill of psychedelics is being able to titrate up and down based on your intention for the day. So let’s say you have a day where you want to enter a state of flow. You really want to work on maybe a creative project like writing a blog or, you know, writing a book. You might decide that, hey, taking a micro dose of ten micrograms of LSD is perfect for that reason. But on another day you might decide, hey, I’d love to go for a hike in the woods to relax, to see perspective on things. I don’t want to quote unquote trip, but I love just to have a little bit more like being able to zoom out even more. That’s what we would call a Hachiro dose hike dosing. And for that, you might take 50 to 60 micrograms of LSD, where you definitely notice there’s an enhanced sense of touch, an enhanced sense of smell. Right. You’re in an altered state, but you’re not tripping. So to say you’re not seeing massive visuals and having that experience, that is much better for like on a couch with an eye mask. And the playlist, so that’s the other interesting element to pay attention to is how can you think of microdevices and psychedelic use as a skill to facilitate a certain intention that you’re going to that experience with?

That’s a little more advanced, too.

Jeff: So, yeah. Yeah. So you’ve talked about these things with a lot of people, and I’m I’m unable to see the audience’s faces now, but I’m wondering how many people might be just freaking out a little bit like people are. You know, there are. So what are the most common responses that you get from people that are kind of resistant or just find themselves a little bit at odds with this idea? What are the beliefs? What are the the cultural mores that are being challenged and so on?

Paul: That’s a that’s a great question. I think there are two main ones to address. One is psychedelics are illegal. And since they are an illegal drug, they must be bad and or harmful, so that that’s been a more common one. And I think that mindset, that way of thinking about it, is becoming less and less relevant, in particular because of cannabis. Right. So we know psychedelic research has been shown on this. There was a fantastic former UK, you know, who worked in the government, and his name is David Nutt and Mutty, who published a paper showing that Ecstasy MDMA is actually safer than riding a horse. And he published another paper showing that psilocybin mushrooms are the safest drug, safer than tobacco, safer than alcohol, safer than cannabis, safer than, you know, any any other legal drugs as well, like Adderall or benzodiazepines or, you know, opiates or anything like that. And and so the interesting element about that is many of the drugs that I just mentioned, alcohol, tobacco, cannabis, even certainly opiates, benzodiazepines, almost all the cocaine, heroin, almost all of these drugs are addictive by their very nature. And that’s because of their relationship with dopamine and a few other things. Psychedelics are largely serotonin activators. They work on something called the five H.T. to a receptor in the serotonin system, and they are actually anti addicted so they can kill addict addiction and negate it.

 So I think that’s the first thing, is that to understand that just because these are illegal does not mean they are harmful, does not mean they are addictive, does not mean they are quote unquote bad. Our current drug policy is not rooted in science. It’s rooted in political ideology. So I think that’s that’s the first thing I think. And I think that’s fairly easy to understand and that’s becoming easier for people to understand as they’re seeing medical cannabis become normalized, recreational cannabis become normalized, as they’re seeing the ills of antidepressants and benzodiazepines and all these legal drugs, Adderall, Ritalin, which are actually quite harmful. So that I feel like it’s pretty easy. I think the second element or misunderstanding or sort of hesitation that a lot of people have. Is this is a shortcut? And because this is a shortcut, I want to do something that is, you know, more consistent, more reliable, et cetera, et cetera. And to that, I would say, yes, it can be a shortcut. And that’s part of the beauty of psychedelics, so there’s this fantastic book called The Secret Drugs of Buddhism, which was published a few years back. And in that book, the author interviewed 40 Zen masters who lived in the United States. So essentially Westerners who in the 60s and 70s, when abroad became Zen masters and came back to teach in various monasteries and places in the United States.

 So we interviewed 40 of these people. And what he found with these Zen masters is that 39 out of 40 of them. We’re influenced to pursue that path of Buddhism and meditation because of psychedelics. Thirty nine out of 40 of them. And the one person. Who who said? That oh, no, it wasn’t the case that one person happened to be lying and he found that out after the fact. So I think that’s an interesting element is psychedelics. Often what they do is they sort of. They clear that the clouds from the mountaintop, right? They allow you through that peak experience, through that mystical experience that we talked about earlier, to see the mountaintop of self actualization, if you will, to see that beautiful being that we are all becoming. And then, of course, we would get back into everyday life. It’s not just, OK, I took a psychedelic and now whatever it’s about consistently coming back to that point of quiet and stillness. So I often use an analogy when talking about that relationship between these peak experiences with psychedelics and a practice like meditation. It’s similar to like when we go to the dentist, right. Where every six months we go to the dentist, we get a deep clean.

Right. It’s a little uncomfortable, but it’s necessary. We got to keep our teeth clean. And then every single day, hopefully in between appointments, we brush our teeth, we floss, we use mouthwash. Right. We keep it clean in there. So that’s sort of the relationship between psychedelics and these other contemplative practices is psychedelics can be that open window. And then in between these experiences that people have to sort of continue to cultivate that sense of stillness and quietude. It’s important to have a practice, to be meditating, to do breath work, to spend time in nature. You know, some of these things that allow us to go inwards and cultivate stillness and cultivate quiet. So I would say like. Drugs are bad or these drugs are illegal, that’s why they’re bad is one misconception. Another misconception is these drugs are shortcuts. And for that reason are, you know, I don’t want to take a shortcut. I just want to do it the hard way. And I think within that as well. There’s one more point. Which I had oh, which speaks to the importance of setting and setting when working with psychedelics, because for a lot of people who maybe jumped in to taking a handful of mushrooms or a few tabs of LSD or any other sort of intense psychedelic, if there wasn’t proper attention paid to set and setting to preparing for that experience, to having a guide or a sitter or a therapist for them with that experience, then those experiences can be traumatizing.

These are very, very intense experiences and they are not to be taken lightly. Right. You do need a sense of reverence and preparation in coming into these. And so I think that’s more like that where the resistance comes from in terms of this might be a shortcut that sort of the outer layer. I think what the ego is communicating behind that is the ego is communicating. This is potentially very intimidating. This could potentially go wrong. And how do I ensure that if I’m going through with a high dose psychedelic experience, that it’s a safe and effective as possible? One of my one more point. And then. And then. And then I’ll kind of be finished with this element. One of my favorite podcasters, two of my favorite podcasters, Tim Ferriss and Sam Harris, recently had a conversation where they talked about this and they said there’s no such thing. As a bad psychedelic experience, there are only safe and unsafe psychedelic experiences, and for us to fully utilize sort of the benefits that can come from these, we need to make sure more than anything else that we are in a safe container that we can surrender to whatever is moving through us in those experiences.

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